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Stewardess ([info]stewardess) wrote,
@ 2007-07-28 04:53:00

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Entry tags:technology: rss

How to see any blog on your LiveJournal flist
I have learned how to add RSS feeds for the blogs of greatestjournal folks, insanejournal folks, etc., so they show up on my friends list at livejournal. It is so easy you are going to laugh.

Let's say I want to add a feed for my friend telesilla at insanejournal. I go to this page:

http://www.livejournal.com/syn/

I scroll down to the bottom of the page and enter the url of her insanejournal blog — http://telesilla.insanejournal.com/ — in the box labeled "Feed URL." Then I click the "Add Feed" button.

If the account is not syndicated (most aren't), LJ will ask me to give the feed an account name. I pick telesilla_ij for the account name. I can not use "telesilla" because that name is in use on livejournal. By telesilla!

IMPORTANT: Never name an RSS feed "stewardess" or "telesilla" and so on. Always tack on a suffix or prefix such as "feed" or "LJ" or "IJ." Otherwise, your feed will prevent your friend from signing up at other blogs with his or her user name.

I type "telesilla_ij" in the box labeled "Account" and then I click on the button "Create Feed."

A familiar page pops up, the one you see every time you add a friend or community, asking if I want to add telesilla_ij to my Default view, or to any custom flist filters I have created. I want her on my Default view, which is already checked, so I click the button "Modify."

LJ cheerfully informs me "telesilla_ij has been added to your friends list."

And that's it. Damn, that was easy.

Few more things:

1. You can name the feed anything you want as long as it is not an existing LJ account name. It seems the feed name does not have to be unique: I can call it telesilla_ij, and you can call it that, too. Or you can call it she_makes_cement. You can call it anything up to sixteen characters.

2. Whatever you call it, that is how it will be displayed on your info page, just below the list of communities you have joined. Look for the small icon that stands for RSS feed:



And there lies grooviness! This means you can to go my profile page right now, locate telesilla_ij, and add the feed just by clicking on it, without going through any of the previous steps!

EXCEPT my user info page doesn't work. When you go over 500 friends, shit breaks [bugs that have existed for more than six years, I might add], and this is related poopiness: no RSS feeds show up on my info page. So I cheated and added links; they appear just above my interests. You can click them to add the feeds.

3. When you first add a friend's feed, her last 25 posts will show up all at once on your flist. Onslaught! After that, you will see her posts normally. There may be a slight delay. I'm performing a couple of tests and will update this when I know more. Edit: insanejournal posts showed up on my flist within fifteen minutes.

4. Potential problem if surfing from work: You will see RSS feed posts in their entirety; cut tags won't work. If someone puts a not-work-safe image behind a cut, watch out! Cheap solution: do not add RSS feeds to your default view, so you will never be taken by surprise. You can view RSS-feed-posts-only by adding ?show=Y to your flist view, like this:

http://stewardess.livejournal.com/friends/?show=Y

5. What about locked posts? If I have an insanejournal account, and telesilla has friended me there, I will see her friends locked insanejournal posts on my livejournal flist! Nifty!

6. Bad: It looks like basic and plus members cannot create RSS feeds, only paid and permanent. Good: Basic and plus can use feeds created by others, however. Edit: Morgandawn informs us this is true at all livejournal-like blogs. To create a feed for livejournal at insanejournal, for instance, you must have an insanejournal paid account.

7. RSS feed posts remain on your flist for only two weeks. So if you go on vacation for three weeks and skip backwards in your flist when you return, one week's worth will be missing from your flist.

Fine print: not all blogs support RSS, or may do it incorrectly. If so, you may be able to add them, but the posts will not show up on your flist.




I recommend you do not add feeds for my insanejournals right now. I'm posting identical content there and here for the time being.

If any of you are worried about losing track of people who are posting elsewhere, relax! You can add anyone to your flist in about twenty seconds.


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[info]sagami
2007-07-29 07:13 am UTC (link)
For number 6, it's possible to get by using additional feedreaders which bypass the whole number 6 problem.

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[info]stewardess
2007-07-29 07:36 am UTC (link)
Do you mean using a blog aggregator such as bloglines?

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[info]sagami
2007-07-29 02:20 pm UTC (link)
Well, I actually meant a standalone reader like News Fox or something other like that (there's feedreader, which I don't use, but turns up in a search).

Advantages of them over things like bloglines is that not everyone likes having their public entries stored on feedreaders like bloglines (I know a friend who vehemently objects to it), so having one on your computer helps bypass this situation.

Alternatively, I've found that another way to keep in touch is just to link up your pre-existing LJ friends page (or IJ page, as the case might be) to help keep up with the reads.

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[info]stewardess
2007-07-29 03:20 pm UTC (link)
I'm not fond of bloglines, either.

Alternatively, I've found that another way to keep in touch is just to link up your pre-existing LJ friends page (or IJ page, as the case might be) to help keep up with the reads.

Could you explain that more? I'm intrigued.

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[info]sagami
2007-07-29 05:13 pm UTC (link)
^^; Maybe I made it sound more wonderful than what I actually had in mind, but I was really thinking of just adding a link (eg. http://exampleusername.livejournal.com/friends) to my current journal, and make sure that I have the "keep me always logged in" option ticked, so that every time I click the link, it'll load my LJ friends list (without using feeds).

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[info]kyuuketsukirui
2007-08-04 04:34 am UTC (link)
But you can't see flocked entries on RSS readers. :-/

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[info]stewardess
2007-09-03 02:29 am UTC (link)
RSS readers such as bloglines, you mean?

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[info]kyuuketsukirui
2007-09-03 03:11 am UTC (link)
Well, I use Google RSS, but to my knowledge the same goes for other web-based readers. Apparently some programs will do it, but...I'm not willing to use a separate program for reading people's journals.

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[info]zannechaos
2007-07-29 06:13 pm UTC (link)
I have a perm account on LJ, and hardly use syn feeds that much. I can make feeds for IJers who have free/plus/no LJ accounts over there. Maybe we should make a comm that's like, a syn feed request for people with free accounts?

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[info]stewardess
2007-07-29 11:45 pm UTC (link)
Maybe we should make a comm that's like, a syn feed request for people with free accounts?

I love this idea! I was trying to think of a work-around. My paid account at LiveJournal will end in about seven months.

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[info]zannechaos
2007-07-30 04:38 am UTC (link)
Should a comm be over here or over there? I'm thinking LJ might be the better place... ::smirks:: Plus 6A can watch people jump ship since it seems to make them so happy to lose customers. Who am I do deny them joy?

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[info]heavens_feel
2007-08-04 02:40 am UTC (link)
I would like to help if I can. Or even just participate.

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reverse direction?
[info]grimmhill
2007-07-30 06:57 pm UTC (link)
I was really glad to see this post (although I have to warn you, I picked it up via Fandom Wank, which is just weird).

Anyway, I had been trying to figure out how to rss feed my LJ friends page back to my IJ friends page, and this post at least gave me a start. However, when I tried it I get an error message telling me that the source (my LJ friends page) isn't XML coded. Now, my IJ is paid, but my LJ is not. Do you know if that is the problem?

Again, thanks for the helpful post.

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Re: reverse direction?
[info]stewardess
2007-07-31 04:13 am UTC (link)
Yes. Morgandawn informed me only paid Livejournal account holders can create feeds for Livejournal content. You can ask someone with a paid account to create the feed, and then you can use it.

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Re: reverse direction?
[info]grimmhill
2007-08-01 06:54 am UTC (link)
Which is weird, since I was able to create RSS feeds of the individual LJ pages of almost all people on my LJ friends pages. However, I couldn't tell if the RSS feeds were going to show locked posts or not, and since at least two people are f-locked, I deleted the RSS feeds. Maybe it works as long as their journal is paid.

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Re: reverse direction?
[info]stewardess
2007-08-01 09:07 am UTC (link)
Gah, it's complicated. Looks like I'll have to get unpaid LJ and IJ accounts and experiment.

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repost to edit comment - RSS feed from LJ friends page to LJ
[info]mllesatine
2007-08-01 09:09 pm UTC (link)
I think you can't get a rss feed from your friends page on LJ but it's possible to do an rss feed from your IJ friends page.

Okay, I did a little research and that's what I came up with. It's an instruction how to get a friends page feed from your (paid!) LJ using the admin console.

It looks awfully kinda complicated and I don't have a paid account to try it. Still, maybe it's a start to work around the feed problem.

Let me know if it works. :)

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Re: reverse direction?
[info]xie_xie_xie
2007-08-16 05:50 am UTC (link)
Do you know HOW someone can use the feed I have created? I have a paid LJ account and a paid IJ account, and I want to know, can friends with free LJ accounts see my IJ on their LJ flist?

Thanks for any help!

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Re: reverse direction?
[info]stewardess
2007-08-16 08:24 am UTC (link)
Give them this link, substituting the name of your feed.

http://syndicated.livejournal.com/name of your feed/profile

There will be an option to add the feed/journal to their friends list up at the top.

I added links to my feeds to my userinfo.

They can also add the feed like any other friend here:

http://www.livejournal.com/friends/edit.bml

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Re: reverse direction?
[info]xie_xie_xie
2007-08-16 08:33 am UTC (link)
Thank you!

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works on insanejournal too
[info]msilverstar
2007-08-04 08:06 am UTC (link)
More important than reading outside journals on LJ, reading LJ journals on other systems....

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[info]secondsilk
2007-08-04 09:49 am UTC (link)
Re: 7. LJ f'lists only go back two weeks, for anything.

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[info]stewardess
2007-09-03 02:23 am UTC (link)
Interesting!

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(Anonymous)
2007-08-04 05:16 pm UTC (link)
Thanks so much! :D

I had no idea RSS was this easy. :)

-fivil from LJ

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[info]grimmhill
2007-08-04 08:14 pm UTC (link)
Additional update.

I've gone back and added a lot of the RSS feeds back to my IJ page after the latest joy at LJ. But I notice that even though it accepts some of the RSS feeds, it isn't displaying them, and if I check the info for the specific RSS feed on my user info page, it lists the RSS lead as "file too large".

So apparently high volume journals, or fic journals posting big chunks of text won't function properly.

If I get any additional info, I'll post another update.

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[info]stewardess
2007-09-03 02:24 am UTC (link)
Yes, high volume feeds don't work. Meta Fandom at Livejournal cannot be syndicated, for instance.

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IMPORTANT
[info]grimmhill
2007-08-04 10:28 pm UTC (link)
OK, so alot of people, like me, seem to have RSS'd their favorites from LJ. However, it appears, that creating the RSS feed is apparently blocking those same folks from now creating an IJ journal.

I'll be contacting IJ tech support to see if there is an answer to the conflict.

Meanwhile, if you created an IJ RSS feed of a friend over at LJ, you may want to check in and see if they're not blocked out of using that name at IJ.

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[info]ou-peachus.livejournal.com
2007-08-05 11:10 pm UTC (link)
hi. Your idea is great. I'm betting this won't work, but I don't know a lot about RSS feeds so I thought I would ask.

Is there some way to get a feed from your Friends page?

Like, instead of getting the feeds from each friend individually, could I get my friends page to load as a feed? Then I could do lj and gj all in one spot.

I tried it w/ the directions you gave, but it says I can't do it. Also, I have a free account and it looks like only paid accounts can create feeds.

Ideas? Peachus

ou_peachus@yahoo.com

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[info]stewardess
2007-09-03 02:34 am UTC (link)
Good question. Our flist relies on RSS; when we add someone as a friend, we are basically adding their RSS feed.

But I fear the answer is no, due to syndication. A feed within LJ [someone on your LJ friends list] is not syndicated, so unavailable outside of LJ.

Syndication appears to involve a third party, unrelated to either LJ or IJ. When you create a feed, you are setting up syndication outside of the poster's original "home." Gah I hope that makes sense...

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[info]grimmhill
2007-08-06 11:20 pm UTC (link)
OK, answer re naming conflicts is back, and the news is bad, as already suggested by someone in an earlier comment I believe.

Once a RSS feed is created, even though the feed creates a basic journal, NO ONE owns that jounal, so there is no way to delete the RSS feed/conflicting journal unless/until the sysadmin purges empty accounts or whatever. Which doesn't look like its going to happen.

So, all the more important to check with friends and confirm that they don't want an IJ account, at least under their LJ name, before you create a feed.

Please help get this info out into the general IJ community.

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[info]quillaninc
2007-08-10 06:29 pm UTC (link)
Hi,

I just wanted to let you know I've included this post in my roundup of useful journal information, post LJ drama, found here. Thanks for all your hard work on this.

-Quill ^_^

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[info]stewardess
2007-09-03 02:28 am UTC (link)
Thank you! Unfortunately, I haven't had time to follow up on the many issues regarding RSS feeds.

There seem to be few bugs; what we are having trouble with is understanding their limitations.

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[info]quillaninc
2007-10-02 07:26 pm UTC (link)
Ack! Doing a clean up of my inbox, and just found your reply.

I'm picking up a few tips here and there, still - I've got to do another update (if only for myself) as well. With the way things have been panning out the last few weeks in lj news posts, a lot of new people are getting very wary as well (charming little tricks like screening and freezing comment posts for very shaky reasons). From my perspective, anything that could be useful is worth considering.

I'll drop a note by if I find anything else handy with the RSS, if you like?

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[info]stele3
2007-08-22 01:08 am UTC (link)
Hey. I'm also one of those brave souls out there experimenting with feeds.

I've set up about a dozen feeds (you can see them all on my IJ profile), including one for the LJ Supernaturalfic community. I also went through and made a bunch for some of my favorite LJ folks.

Unfortunately, only about half the feeds I've created work. The error message I keep getting is 'Too big.' I've tried changing from the Atom to the RSS feed, but no dice. I would think that their LJs were simply too big, except the Supernaturalfic community went through with no problems whatsoever - and that thing is HUGE. Sooo... *shrugs*

Do you have any idea what's going on and how to fix it?

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[info]stewardess
2007-09-03 02:27 am UTC (link)
It appears length of entries matters a lot. That means our friends who post fiction may not work. :(

Comms like supernaturalfic are busy, but the entries are short, because most people post links only.

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[info]tattooedsappho
2007-09-09 11:57 pm UTC (link)
just wanted to say thanks for posting this! was a little confused about gettin a rss feed of my IJ to my LJ friends (thought i needed to make it here and am not perm. yet) and you made it all fit nicely into my disoragized mind. Thanks!! ^_^

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